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Topic: Double the double / Double to her double (2 Posts)

Message: Double the double / Double to her double
Posted by [tmoore1008] on Wednesday, 16-May-2007 15:17:51 EDT Revised by [tmoore1008] on Wednesday, 16-May-2007 15:34:28 EDT Revised by [tmoore1008] on Friday, 07-Sep-2007 20:09:54 EDT Revised by [tmoore1008] on Friday, 09-Nov-2007 14:27:55 EST
What does double to her double or double the double mean (διπλώσατε { αὐτῇ διπλᾶ ♦ τὰ διπλᾶ })? BDAG says pay back double (s.vv. διπλοῦς and διπλόω), in other words simply to double. Accordingly, most translations read give back/pay back/repay to her double (though The Message reads double what she's doubled): Ἀπόδοτε αὐτῇ ὡς καὶ αὐτὴ ἀπέδωκεν, καὶ διπλώσατε { αὐτῇ διπλᾶ ♦ τὰ διπλᾶ } κατὰ τὰ ἔργα αὐτῆς· ἐν τῷ ποτηρίῳ ᾧ ἐκέρασεν κεράσατε αὐτῇ διπλοῦν. Repay her the same way she repaid others; pay her back double corresponding to her deeds. In the cup she mixed, mix double the amount for her. [Rv 18:6 NET] Instead, could "double the double" mean, not simply to double, but more along the lines of to give the inverse, i.e.: give her the equal and opposite measure of her deeds? Can it actually mean exactly what the immediate next verse (Rv 18:7) says: As much as she exalted herself and lived in sensual luxury, to this extent give her torment and grief....’ [Rv 18:7 NET]
Message: Re: Double the double / Double to her double
Posted by Elissa Grace on Saturday, 23-May-2015 12:25:59 EDT
the πόρνην is the whore and γυνὴ the woman. Ὧδε ὁ νοῦς ὁ ἔχων σοφίαν. Αἱ ἑπτὰ κεφαλαὶ ἑπτὰ ὄρη εἰσίν, ὅπου ἡ γυνὴ κάθηται ἐπ’ αὐτῶν. The subtle distinction between the whore and the woman hints at two different but not mutually exclusive entities, so double could simply the punishment due for both crimes perpetrated by the single perpetrator playing two roles, as well furthering the imagery that there are two forms or manifestations of the whore/woman (Jerusalem/ Rome). Paul, in 1 Cor 1:16 speaks of the individual's involvement with a whore as that of becoming one flesh (when joined to a woman) but he precedes it with an odd reference to joining members (pl) to a whore (sing); also, the imagery of being drunk on wine of fornications shares the natural (scientific) influence which gives rise to bread (the yeast that leavens bread is the same as that which ferments alcohol). Two distinct processes (crime sprees), one culprit.